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Rurne (November 8th, 2008 @ 6:19 pm)

You should take the time to see what Bowen claimed. A shame someone recently (2008-10-23) deleted the Wikipedia article, as it debunked most of this, but you really should look at the peer-reviewed case studies done and see how unscientific they were. If it "works" for you, great. However, can anyone prove this works, not because the patient believes it will work, but that there is fundamentally something different than a deep-tissue massage? Put it in a medical journal and I'll read it.

Paradiselost316 (November 5th, 2008 @ 10:05 pm)

I don't think it is about redirecting energy. It is studying the nervous system and the way it reacts to various stimuli. It's just about finding the right stimuli to send to the brain, so it receives the correct message to send back No I do not know what Bowen claimed....

healer926 (November 3rd, 2008 @ 2:11 pm)

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healer926 (November 3rd, 2008 @ 1:25 pm)

I have been doing body work/massage for 13 years, nas have tried countless modalities. This one therapy Bowen Therapy is the one and only therapy that has helped my clients stay pain free. greg in albuequerque new mexico

Rurne (November 1st, 2008 @ 7:49 pm)

Actually, I can "prove" it doesn't work. The people who claim they can direct energy are full of hooey, and it's been shown time and again that, whether it's consciously relaxing muscles or redirecting qi, it's placebo effect. Hell, if someone like Emily Rosa can, at 9 years old, show that energy healers are worse than randomly guessing her left from her right hand when blinded... what makes you so convinced Bowen technique works better than a back rub? Do you even know what Bowen claimed?

Paradiselost316 (November 1st, 2008 @ 3:32 pm)

Firstly, i'm just a patient so i don't know about any previous studies. All i can say is that it works for me. As for the million dollar challenge i'd hardly call this "paranormal" or "supernatural", as it's method can be explained pretty logically Anyway I guess the bottom line is I can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that it does work, and you can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that it doesn't.

Rurne (November 1st, 2008 @ 9:00 am)

Is a claim made on a non-reviewed site plausible evidence? Again. Put Bowen Therapy up there where a peer review of scientists can confirm the benefits. Give me one double-blind study, and I'll concede the point. And if you can do that, you'll win Randi's million-dollar challenge. But as you fail to address, the three previous studies fell flat on their face(s). What do you propose that is so different?

Paradiselost316 (October 31st, 2008 @ 10:19 pm)

Is that the case study on the official bowen technique website, focusing on the frozen shoulder? The placebo group was monitored closely...

Rurne (October 28th, 2008 @ 4:59 pm)

The proof is in the claimant. If you're going to submit something as a falsifiable technique, you need to back it up with hard evidence. As I mentioned before, the three peer-reviewed studies fell on their faces for not having proper control of the placebo group. I mean, seriously. This is no different than reiki/therapeutic touch/EFT/TFT/waving a dead chicken. If it seriously works, why has no one taken up James Randi's million-dollar challenge to prove it?

Paradiselost316 (October 27th, 2008 @ 10:25 pm)

and what is your experience/qualifications?

Rurne (October 3rd, 2008 @ 4:16 am)

What a bunch of woo-woo hand-waving. There is research stating that "challenging" the muscle that would cause any change (i.e., "causing the brain to send a default reset"). In fact, of the three studies done, the Kinnear/Baker in 1999 and Whitaker et al 1999 studies lacked real statistical analysis and had no placebo control group. Tom Bowen himself had no formal medical training. All in all, Bowen Therapy is just like reiki; placebo auto-suggestion. Go see a physiotherapist instead.